On immigration:
1. ‘Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it’s not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.’
2. ‘These people aren’t so much seeking asylum, they’re seeking permanent residency. If they were happy with temporary protection visas, then they might be able to argue better that they were asylum seekers’
On rights at work:
3. ‘If we’re honest, most of us would accept that a bad boss is a little bit like a bad father or a bad husband … you find that he tends to do more good than harm. He might be a bad boss but at least he’s employing someone while he is in fact a boss.’
On women:
4. ‘The problem with the Australian practice of abortion is that an objectively grave matter has been reduced to a question of the mother’s convenience.’
5. ‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’
6. ‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’
7. ‘What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up, every year…’
On Julia Gillard:
8. ‘Gillard won’t lie down and die’
On climate change:
9. ‘Climate change is absolute crap’
10. ‘If you want to put a price on carbon why not just do it with a simple tax.’
On homosexuality:
11. ‘I’d probably … I feel a bit threatened’
12. ‘If you’d asked me for advice I would have said to have – adopt a sort of “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy about all of these things…’
On Indigenous Australia:
13. ‘Now, I know that there are some Aboriginal people who aren’t happy with Australia Day. For them it remains Invasion Day. I think a better view is the view of Noel Pearson, who has said that Aboriginal people have much to celebrate in this country’s British Heritage’
14. ‘Western civilisation came to this country in 1788 and I’m proud of that…’
15. ‘There may not be a great job for them but whatever there is, they just have to do it, and if it’s picking up rubbish around the community, it just has to be done’
On Nicola Roxon:
16: ‘That’s bullshit. You’re being deliberately unpleasant. I suppose you can’t help yourself, can you?’
Liam
Oh man…makes me feel kind of nauseated.
6. ‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’
I see a lot wrong with a lot he says but I have to disagree on this one, it does take give and take on both sides, sex should never be a bargaining chip nor with held completely.
Neither should it be demanded, but the sad truth these days is men are being made to look like morons all the time, in commercials, movies and it’s pathetic, when did a man have to comply because his masculinity might offend?
Oddly if your a woman you can be as sexist as you like, communication and no not whining and gossiping to friends about him, contrary to popular belief men aren’t mind readers however your man should be our best fried and come before all others.
I see friends sometimes and people on television going to anyone to nag about him when how hard is it really to go to the man you love, or I hope so, and speak to him, it does wonders, maybe not for everyone but there’s a lot of communication and trust in my marriage and I ave to admit it couldn’t be any better, what we have is a strong bond and trust each other 100%.
This isn’t true in every case of but I see men downtrodden so much these days it makes me cringe, if I wanted someone with no testosterone and whom couldn’t show his masculinity I’d have married a woman, so that’s my view for better or worse.
And for me? I have the most amazing, loving and honest marriage, more importantly we have no secrets, we are each others world and have a very happy and fulfilling relationship
Hi Felicity
Just so you know, men control 70% of media outlets and advertising, so in theory it is men choosing how men are represented in the media.
Also, to oppress someone (be sexist/racist to them) a person needs two things – power and privilege. For example, a white woman can oppress a black man on the basis of race, whilst a black man can oppress a white woman on the basis of sex. It is NOT POSSIBLE to be sexist to a male, in the same way it is not possible to be racist to a white person. It just doesn’t work like that. I actually fall into the most privileged category (white, middle class, Christian, cissexual, straight, able and neurotypical), and I am still able to not be an oppressive asshole (unlike Tony Abbot).
As for your comment about men who aren’t “masculine”, sex is biological, whilst gender is culturally determined. In other words, just because some one is biologically male, it shouldn’t mean that they have to conform to the socially determined stereotype of masculinity, in the same way women should NOT have to be silenced, small and act vulnerable because of the nature of their genitals.
Good day.
Hi James,
You do not need to have power or privileged to be sexiest and raciest. These terms simply mean hated based on these physical attributes. A ‘white’ man can be oppressed… and are quite often the target of minority groups who hold then wholly responsible for indecencies that they have been shown. I resent that you imply that woman and people of heritage have less power and privilege. As I am both and have luckily never experienced or accepted that idea. It is the 21st century and it is acceptance and anger of these ideas that are keeping our society stagnant.
Best wishes,
Tina
No one, of any gender, under any circumstances should ever think that they have to have sex with anyone if they don’t want to, ever. There is no give or take on that one. It has to be consensual. The idea that sex is a man’s right to demand does not need to be moderated… It needs to be completely rejected.
Your post is interesting for a change, do you have sources?
Thanks for the comment.
Where a transcript is available I’ve tried to provide it, where not, I’ve linked to an article which reproduces the quote.
1. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2859473.htm
2. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3573785.htm
3. http://www.abc.net.au/am/stories/s596135.htm
4.http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/LatestNews/ArticleswrittenbyTony/tabid/87/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3653/RATE-OF-ABORTION-HIGHLIGHTS-OUR-MORAL-FAILINGS.aspx
5. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2010/s2846485.htm
6. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2514401.htm
7. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/tony-abott-slams-politically-correct-critics-as-hypersensitive-over-ironing-housewives-remark/story-e6frgczf-1225828211437
8. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-wont-lie-down-and-die-says-abbott-20120529-1zfxj.html
9. http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2808321.htm
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckcH0Wrmy74
11. http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1020354
12. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2514401.htm
13. http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2859473.htm
14. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2010/s2846485.htm
15. http://www.theage.com.au/national/aborigines-must-take-jobs-20100630-zmug.html
16. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2007/s2078036.htm
Liam
You might want to edit this to the bottom of the post, just so people don’t start assume they are fabricated before they make it this far in the comments.
Number 3 isn’t a direct quote.
The actual quote was:
“TONY ABBOTT: If we’re honest, most of us would accept that a bad boss is a little bit like a bad father or a bad husband. Not withstanding all his or her faults, you find that he tends to do more good than harm. He might be a bad boss but at least he’s employing someone while he is in fact a boss.”
I think that might actually be worse. I’ve edited the quote in any case.
Liam
Your Source for quote 9 (“climate change is crap”) indicates that he didn’t say the words you have in quotation marks. His actual comments aren’t much of an improvement but at least quote him accurately rather than paraphrasing.
James? The silence is deafening.
Many of these quotes are also found and sourced on Tony Abbotts wikiquote page. http://quote.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott
All of these comments by Tony Abbott were secured by Left wing so-called journalists in an atmosphere of entrapment and thinly-disguised partisan hatred.
In almost every one of the interviews, he’s actually under attack by people looking for material with which to smear him on Labor’s behalf.
Never has an opponent been so feared by the lunatic Left—and IMO they fear him precisely because they know he’s a good man—because they know his policies will be good for Australia and mainstream Australians and therefore bad for them and their subversive agenda..
They know he will undo much of the damage the Left has done to Australia since the early 1970s.
They know his focus will be on really educating Australian children instead of Labor’s indoctrination—on making Australia prosperous for all who work, instead of just for the Labor cronies of Labor Inc, who harbour criminals, consort with criminals and see it as their right to cream off the assets and much of the funds of Australian taxpayers to enrich their own families and those of their crooked mates.
Despite all that, Abbott’s comments are true—just missing the Left wing spin and double-talk the Labor-loving journalists find so seductive when conducting the soft ball interviews with their own disreputable side.
And of course with you two, it appears to be the same.
All of the comments—one to sixteen—are true to anyone capable of facing reality instead of being crippled and hog-tied by ideological power plays and contrivances.
Eg…Anyone who thinks Australia can be open to all-comers, no matter how many, doesn’t give a damn about Australia
And someone who’s genuinely in need of protection will be happy to have a TPV…a protection visa.
Almost no-one is all good or all bad—even employers. Nobody’s perfect , and people make trade-offs in any relationship—or do you expect absolute perfection ?
Tony Abbott believes abortion should be ‘safe , legal and rare’, as Clinton said.
What in that statement is wrong—you think it should be less rare??
Of course men and women are different —mentally and physically—and of course there are many jobs in which women will neither dominate nor be in equal numbers.
Of course the Aboriginal people benefit from Western civilization—-many billions spent on them—Western medicine, technology and education available to them.
Did you want them living without all that —and do you want them to have no pride in their community??
Most of us—young and old—pick up rubbish every day—do you not?
Some Australian women do iron too—and even think while they do it—and if they’re sensible, they see that a 23% tax , after it cascades through the economy over time, will make everything more expensive.
Those who don’t—and I suppose that’s you—would be happy to take a pay cut or two, I presume, considering you believe such things as taxes and pay cuts have no effect.
Nicola Roxon entertained Labor’s MSM groupies at that National Press Club luncheon with angry nasty snide remarks about Tony Abbott until he arrived and apologised for being unavoidably detained—an apology she sneered at.
She’s the nasty piece of work—not him.
When TA and his family are interviewed by almost any of Australia’s MSM ‘journalists’, they are actually in the hands of the enemy, but they have to pretend that they’re in the presence of normal decent people, even while knowing they’re running the gauntlet of a relentless vicious enemy cabal with enormous power.
I think the source might be Mr Abbott.
Taat any one would speak in this manner let alone believe these things is beyond my comprehension. Jo Eadie
If this is what he is saying, i can only imagine what he is thinking but not saying
Upgrade your comprehension.
Sorry about the typo .
Jo Eadie
Ha! Gonna go live in Canada if this idiot is ever in charge of the country.
ummmm check out Stockwell Day if you think we don’t have our share of ‘em
here is one of them http://is.gd/kK0SQi
Good go!!! So you prefer the current Juliar idiot, please give me a break.
It’s *Julia, idiot.
Juliar? Are you serious.
Ditch you, bitch.
Not arguing Gillard’s weak and was made PM by others. Abbott’s so weak he can’t speak for himself, all he can do when asked a question for which he lacks a rehearsed answer is look at the floor with that silly grin/smirk… this list is missing the “you can’t really trust what I say in the heat of the moment” remark
I would prefer less darren style idiots in my country, and if the Liarberals get in at the next election, all the narrow minded fuckheads that vote for them can chip in for my application for asylum in a safer country.
so he says Ju-liar, a play on words, and you think he misspelt her name. Also why pick on the figureheads? They play a part on what happens in the country but it’s the whole party that should be looked at, perhaps the system that gives us such poor choices of leadership.
Yes I do prefer the current Priminister,nd I dislike the violence against women the goes around as political commentryuch as your not funny Name calling.
umm… people “juliar” is what the press have been calling julia gillard since she took over as pm as she immediately pulled the plug on her promises and she cannot be trusted. do your research so you know what you’re talking about before you pick on others…
@Mandi Moo Beattie
That’s a beautiful run-on sentence you have there aside from the full stop in the middle of it I love how it doesn’t really end it just kinda trails off…
I have thought the exact same thing!
We have our own idiot Prime Minister in Canada right now. His name is Stephen Harper.
^This … regrettably.
Good……seeya!!
so the red headed clown soon to be taken over by snow white once evicted will save the circus??
This is such lazy journalizm.
Journalism? I thought this was somebody’s blog!!!
I suppose that a proper journalist might try to put some “context” around each of these quotes to make them less sexist, racist, vile and disgusting. However, I think the author of this piece has done well in letting them stand alone as the words of a man who sees himself as a legitimate leader.
Journalizm is such lazy spelling.
Or did you mean this:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/540913
In which case, I think you’re crazy.
agree with you Jessica ..it’s a blog and a great post.
Blog posts are journalism, two sides of the same brush. Probably with a little less authority but technically there’s no difference.
They both publish information that may or may not be true, may or may not be cited and that may or may not be researched.
I knew I didn’t like him. Thanks for telling me why.
dont believe everything these Lefties write
You don’t need to believe it – the quotes are cited. That’s the great thing about facts. They’re true whether you believe them or not.
So all of your thinking is done for you by others—from the Left only of course.
Labor will be very pleased that with people like you outsourcing their thinking, the propaganda and shutdown of democracy is able to work so easily.
No wonder they find it so easy to suppress inconvenient facts on the status of climate science and to whip the lemmings into mass hysteria about CAGW in the absence— for more than a decade —- of any significant warming.
I’d laugh hysterically if it wasn’t so serious
you sound a bit conspiracy minded, ever thought that maybe you are speaking propaganda as well? Or am i just part of ‘the Left’ enemy cabal seeking to hide ‘the Truth’
What choice do we have though? The idiot red head who is financially crippling Australia and costing billions, or Abbott. We are screwed.
‘Idiot red head’? What does hair colour have to do with anything?
Idiot red head, that’s the prime minister; she has red hair. It’s not very common so you can just say idiot red head and everyone knows who you’re talking about. Try it, it works. If she had a huge nose she’d be the big nosed idiot. If she had wings she’d be the winged idiot. You could ask what does Tony Abbot’s swim wear choice have to do with anything, but for a long time he didn’t get a mention without reference to his budgie smugglers because he was the only one who wore them.
how the fuck is she costing us billions and financially crippling australia? yet another fucking retard who doesnt understand the slightest bit of politics. australia is the most desirable country IN THE WORLD to live in right now. we STILL HAVENT entered recession thanks to GILLARD and as a matter of fact, taxes under JOHN HOWARD were HIGHER than they are under gillard. get your facts straight before you follow the crowd you god damn sheep
This!
Your blatant insult and flaming of someone who is simply stating their relatively unbiased opinion suggests that you are inbred and/or living under a rock. What does his knowledge of politics have to do with his knowledge of simple economics? We weathered the recession well but could have done a lot better. Giving out money at a time when tax cuts would have kept that $ within our borders and circulating would have been a better idea.
Yes, Australia is desirable, probably more so to those outside the borders than those inside them at the moment due to the political pissing contests which we are witness too.
As far as taxes being higher, to be honest, the kind of debt we were in when when Howard started (you know, the 96 billion dollars which the previous governments [plural, it was a joint effort from what I read] got us into) consider me happy to help my country get out of the red and into the 29 billion dollars of green we were in before this government started. (again, if you cant see a recession in there then you’re blind)
Pretty sure you’re the only one Baaaaa’ing here.
Government is cyclical, periods of conservatism to cover up periods of attempted progressive spending. Neither can work without the other really and until we start supporting each other and understanding this then we will be played against each other. Last time I checked they’re meant to be the public servants.
I agree with spoons. Neither party can run this country very well on its own. The right manages money very well but has little apparent regard for humanity. The lefts have a high regard for humanity but they’re terrible at running a business.
The Liberals inherit a debt, get it payed off, make a profit and a lot of enemies at the same time, then Labor makes friends by spending all the money, then makes enemies by creating a debt, then the Liberals get back into power….
Taxes were NOT higher under the Howard Government. That is pure Labor spin.
Tax REVENUE, as a percentage of GDP, is slightly lower under this government (than the Howard era) – due to the weaker capital gains and company tax revenue resulting from the GFC. This is not a result of a lower tax regime by the government despite what the Labor spin doctors would have you believe.
“The GFC also caused capital gains tax receipts to fall by around two-thirds from their peak of 1.5 per cent of GDP in 2007-08. Asset markets have remained sluggish and there is an unprecedented stock of losses that remain to be absorbed by future gains before tax will be payable. Capital gains tax receipts are predicted to recover, but not to reach their pre-crisis share of GDP.” – Source: http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/glossy/tax_reform/html/tax_overview_02.htm
—- “Get your facts straight before you follow the crowd you god damn sheep”
Canada says “Hi” …
The ratio of tax to GDP was higher because GDP was smaller.
Now GDP is at record heights [ even though it's being squandered by Labor], so that to have the same tax to GDP ratio, taxes would have to be humungous.
Australia is only in the favorable position it’s in, because the Howard Government left a legacy of a $22billion surplus, billions in the Future Fund—no government debt—the wealthiest populace in the world—wages that had risen >20% under Howard/Costello, while under Hawke/Keating Labor , they had fallen—and China ready to pay squillions for minerals that Labor didn’t put in the ground.
It’s you who’s running with the sheep, and swallowing whole Swan’s ridiculous propaganda and parroting it here.
Adrian, do you understand politics or the economy? If so, enlighten us with your credentials mate because economics is a freakishly difficult concept to get your head around. And while you’re qualifying stuff, can you also enlighten us as to the exact and specific reasons you believe Julia Gillard is financially crippling Australia? Last I checked, we were actually doing okay – presently there are many many more countries who are far deeper financial shit because of their inaction and lack of response to the Global Financial Crisis. If you’re going to criticise somebody, at least state a few specifics and give actual reasons, not insults. Flinging mud and shit with no substance is an Abbott speciality.
Actually, Australia is doing extremely well. I’m living in England right now and annual wages for teachers and admin workers, for example, are a small fraction of what they are in Australia. And look at Greece and Spain – does the media report that in Australia? They have required multiple financial bailouts. Has Australia has a bailout recently?
On rereading your comment it seems that you don’t like Abbott either, as you include him in your definition of being “screwed”. However, whatever mistakes Gillard is making (and there are many – her biggest one being pandering to the right-wingers on climate change, asylum seeker rights and marriage equality) just remember that we would be A HUNDRED TIMES WORSE OFF with Abbott – Gillard is not making misogynistic comments about housewives and ironing, nor barefaced lies about climate change, nor ludicrous statements about asylum seekers based on religious rubbish. Just remember that the Greens actually do have policies of their own, not just a knee-jerk slagging off of everything Labor does – so they are the party that will be getting my vote.
Plus, Gillard’s hair colour has nothing to do with anything. If you thought that way, your reason for opposing Abbott would be his sticking-out ears.
Liz…
Even while our MSM saw to it that Gillard’s misogynist rant went around the world, she was herself protecting Australia’s misogynist-in-chief—her very own pick for Speaker of the House—chosen only for his usefulness in shoring up her numbers in parliament and tightening her grip on power over the Australian people.
What did she care about his character—zilch!
And what is more misogynist than a woman who has a special penchant for affairs with married men with children.
A woman with her lack of scruples and her morality vacuum is the enemy of women , and especially of children, whose lives she appears to have held in such reckless disregard.
And why should one of the most law-abiding nations on earth have as its leader, a person and a former lawyer– –in Gillard—who is dodging the scrutiny of the law on her connection to a money-laundering and fraud operation run by her former lover —a man who deserves, in her view , it seems, to get away scot free with breaking Australia’s laws.
Have you never done any ironing, Liz?
Some women do, you know—and they even actually think while they iron—sometimes about very important matters, like what a 23% tax on everything will do not only to their own budgets, but to the economy of the country—and how it’s designed to rise every year, even as the European carbon price falls.
Some women—while they’re ironing—-not you of course though—realize that a big extra tax does make a difference—just as a big pay cut does—that it will be paid for one way or another—either in higher prices or lost jobs.
The UK Met admitted that warming ceased more than a decade ago.
Are they lying—or are you sucked in by the propaganda instead of keeping up with developments?
If you had paid attention to the source of the Jesus comment, you would see that Tony Jones of Q&A introduced religion into the asylum-seeker issue,[ not Tony Abbott ]—- in an attempt to smear TA.
Abbott simply said that Australia can’t take everyone who wants to come—and if you think we should then you’re no friend of Australia.
The Greens policies will destroy Australia given the chance —have you actually read them—not just the laundered ones they have now—but the ones they had to hide when a few questions started to come their way —finally.
Actually “truth” below is a liar. The MET has NOT said global warming has stopped. They published data and it has been corrupted by deniers like you. For the real truth see
http://www.skepticalscience.com/16_more_years_of_global_warming.html
It isn’t the MET lying, it is the people using the data, and gullible people like you who fall for the very thing you accuse others of – propaganda. See another image here:
http://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-a.ak/hphotos-ak-ash3/148311_535871659767183_1695862013_n.jpg
Also I iron every day, and know there is not a 23% tax on everything. It is $23 per tonne of carbon released. this equates to just under 2 cents per litre of petrol. If this worries you, Coles and Woolies will give you 8 cents back, and if you use you average $20 cut that was also achieved directly because of the carbon levy, to shop at these places, you will find a bag of Wayne Swann goodies has actually gone down in price from a year ago. The greens despite some odd ideas, at least will have an Australia worth having.
You call yourself truth. Is that because we have this in writing, or is it Tony Abbott’s version of Truth?
Thank you for your critique….but it’s not exactly as you say.
This is what was reported by David Rose ……….
‘On Tuesday, news finally broke of a revised Met Office ‘decadal forecast’, which not only acknowledges the pause, but predicts it will continue at least until 2017. It says world temperatures are likely to stay around 0.43 degrees above the long-term average – as by then they will have done for 20 years.’
And this is what the Met office said in reply…..acknowledging the pause, and the role of natural forcings, which work both ways….also acknowledging that the science isn’t settled after all, as the propaganda tells us. They also don’t answer the questions very clearly
The Met….
[ 'we also know that changes in the surface temperature occur not just due to internal variability, but are also influenced by “external forcings”, such as changes in solar activity, volcanic eruptions or aerosol emissions. Combined, several of these factors could account for some or all of the reduced warming trend seen over the last decade – but this is an area of ongoing research.']
And then—from the Met… again acknowledging the 15 year long pause—which their colleague at HadCru , Phil Jones, said showed no statistically significant warming.
[ 'Over the last 140 years global surface temperatures have risen by about 0.8ºC. However, within this record there have been several periods lasting a decade or more during which temperatures have risen very slowly or cooled. The current period of reduced warming is not unprecedented and 15 year long periods are not unusual.']
Here an acknowledgment of the great power of the natural climate variations like the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, Enso etc.
[ 'The models exhibit large variations in the rate of warming from year to year and over a decade, owing to climate variations such as ENSO, the Atlantic Multi-Decadal Oscillation and Pacific Decadal Oscillation. So in that sense, such a period is not unexpected. It is not uncommon in the simulations for these periods to last up to 15 years, but longer periods are unlikely.']
Do you contend that the earth should not be warming at all as it emerges from the Little Ice Age?
If it’s not acceptable for it to be warming slightly , do you think it should have been cooling over the last 140 years —-ie adding to the LIA ice? And how long do you expect that should go on—towards another full-on ice age?
Or do do you contend that it should be static—which it never has been?
There have only been reliable measurements of temperature since the 70s—and in the early 70s the great scare was of ‘the coming ice age’ –with some of today’s high priests of climate at the forefront of that scare.
But then in 1976 that all ended when the Great Pacific Climate shift occurred, and a warming trend began until 1997—and it’s plateaued since then.
So that’s the great alarming trend—-from 1976 to 1997—preceded by ice age hysteria.
Measurement of ocean temperature is hugely important, yet it has only been reasonably reliable since 2003, with the advent of the Argo floats—and it reveals almost no warming [ 'the missing heat' climate scientists obsess about]
CO2 continues to rise and warming has paused—no significant correlation— and this is consistent with the logarithmic nature of the limited warming effect of CO2, as described by the high priest of CAGW himself—James Hansen—and never refuted by him…
[ 'Although the addition of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere does increase the surface temperature, the rate of temperature increase diminishes with increasing carbon dioxide in the atmosphere']
BruceJ….
Further to your critique—and on the 23% carbon tax.
It’s a 23% on carbon that raises electricity prices at the generators, and raises the prices of certain carbon-intense products .
Either it’s absorbed by those taxed at the source—or it’s pass down the chain by them and appears in prices of other products.
If a business has multiple inputs , each input now more expensive than before due to the passed-on carbon tax component—-then either that business’s product or service will be significantly more expensive, or it will absorb extra costs in order to get an edge on competitors who have to pass it on.
In that scenario, prices will be inflated and /or jobs will go, as those already close to the wall and facing each year’s increase in carbon tax on inputs, find they can’t absorb and survive .
This will be exacerbated from July 2014 when the carbon tax will apply to fuel, and will therefore raise prices on everything—unless again businesses take a hit and become less profitable.
Labor and the unions have business intimidated—the threat being ‘don’t link job losses to the carbon tax, thereby requiring Paul Howes to resign as he promised—or you’ll get trouble from unions and from Labor’s carbon watchdogs wielding the big fines—- with a feast for Labor lawyers.’
If you think it’s nothing to have a 23% tax on the electricity used for every good and service consumed in Australia, then you wouldn’t be fazed with the multiples of that , favoured by the Greens, I guess—and you would claim that it likewise would have no inflation or jobs impact.
‘Bring on the taxes—more and more taxes’, is your call to your wasteful and corrupt party.
These taxes are like wage cuts—so would you be just as happy to take big wage cuts?
Swan’s cyclical stunt is meaningless.
Let’s see his bag of goodies after the recent floods—and check and see if [ amongst your goodies, not Daffy's] the quantities you’re paying the same price for are the same—or whether , as you’ll see on some goods, the new way to keep the price down is to cut the grams or mls—or pagesetc.
With GreenLabor’s carbon tax increasing each year, and the European version it’s linked to fast disappearing, how long do you think the ‘compensation ‘ will continue to flow—or do you expect that GreenLabor will just put Australia into even more debt to the Communist Chinese dictatorship in order to stay in power?
The Greens you’re so enamoured of, would, amongst other things toxic to Australia, kill coal right now—as an electricity generator and as an export commodity—and to iron ore and other minerals that are big emitters in their extraction.
Tell me—what are their plans for the reliable electricity generation that a modern country must have to thrive—or is their plan, as it used to be—for Australia to become a subsistence economy largely overseen by the dysfunctional corruption-ridden UN??
Is it their plan that we’ll get all the electricity they think we need or should be allowed to have, from wind turbines manufactured in Communist China—or from solar-thermal plants that are closing here and everywhere because they’re not viable as base load generators—or from the now mothballed geothermal experiments?
And when they’ve killed coal—– whence comes the export income needed to fund all the handouts-for-votes they plan—like free University for all etc.
GreenLabor and their followers here and OS are going to be responsible for nuclear proliferation around the world, and a threat to civilization that makes AGW look like a day at the beach, as every seismically and politically unstable little country will find their only alternative is to instal nuclear reactors , in order to comply with CO2 political correctness demanded by the lunatic Left.
And your Greens would bleed dry Australia’s productive and enterprising population and hand over the remains of a once-prosperous democracy to the Communist Chinese dictatorship, and our sovereignty to the Socialist redistributionists of the crooked UN.
Well Truth, oxygen and magnesium come together reading your reply. You are either telling lies or rather uneducated and spouting off BS. It is NOT 23 % Read it again. It is NOT 23 %. Please KNOW what you are talking about. It IS $23 per tonne. i.e. 1,000,000 grams of carbon. It is not a tax on everything More BS. It may add to production costs, but even if it was 23% on electricity it would only add that to everything if electricity was the only input cost and it went up by 23%, which it hasn’t – it is about 8% on coal generated electricity. And show me a product where the entire input costs is electricity and I will show you – well electricity.
Have you heard of thermal solar generators? They run for 7 days without the sun, and only need one day to renew their energy. Yes the technology is already here. it supplies base load.
You didn’t watch the video on the 16 years of pausing did you. Or don’t you understand La Nina and El Nino, or the effects of sulfur dioxides?
To compare Labor to the communist China, well you are worse than those who claim GWA are frauds.
As for the effects of levying fuel, here is the chemistry and maths behind it:-
Octane = C8H18
One tonne = 1000kg = 1,000,000 grams = $23
You have 680g of octane per litre. Molar mass octane = 8*12.011+18*1.008 = 114.189g. In 680g you have 680/114.189 = 5.955 moles. Each mole contains 6.022*10^23 molecules. Number of molecules = 3.586*10^24 molecules.
1 litre = 680g of which carbon represents 96.088
And hydrogen 18.144
Thus, carbon = 84%.
1 litre of octane is = 680 grams, and you will need 1000000 grams for a tone.
Given $23 per million grams, and that 1 litre = 680 grams,
Then the carbon levy is = to $23 * 680/1000000 * 84%
1,470 litres of petrol makes up one tonne of octane but as only 84 % is carbon, then to produce a tone of carbon you will need to use 1750 litres of fuel if it was 100% octane. As it is 92% you will need to use 1902 litres.
1902 litres of fuel for which the levy will add $23 or 2,300 cents. So divide the 2300 cents per tone, by the number of litres you need to burn to release a tonne of carbon and you get 2300/1902 = 1.2 cent approx increase at the pump.
Yes it is an increase of 1.2 cents per litre, but I would suggest you could avoid it by buying your fuel on a Wednesday.
As for fuel, fuel is octane.
Australia is financially very secure with low unemployment. You are just sprouting more propaganda. Check your facts yourself and stop believing the lies peddled by the media
The Australian economy has rarely been in better shape than it is right now. And it is certainly in better shape than any other advanced economy.
Unemployment is low and falling.
Interest rates are lower than at any time under the Howard government.
Under Labor we’re one of the lowest-taxed countries in the western world. (Compared to the Howard government, which was the highest-taxing government in Australia’s history).
The public debt-to-GDP ratio is a fraction of comparable countries.
Our terms of trade have never been better.
The Oz economy has (for the first time ever) been rated AAA by the world’s top three ratings agencies.
Our Treasurer was last year named International Finance Minister of the Year by the prestigious Euromoney magazine.
Here are a few articles to help you understand Australia’s economic conditions:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/australian-economy-leads-the-world-20120418-1x6ac.html
http://www.businessday.com.au/business/a-blockbuster-set-of-numbers-20120606-1zvfw.html?rand=1338949471617
http://m.businessspectator.com.au/businessspectator/#!/article/gillard-election-economy-pd20120821-XCUMT?OpenDocument&src=rot&src=sph&modapt=commentary
All bogus Labor talking points, Douglas.
The Australian economy is only favorable compared to the others because the others are all basket cases due to the social [Socialist] engineering of the Clinton administration that produced the mandated sub-prime home mortgages that underpinned the consequently worthless mortgage-based securities and the related credit default swaps that made the Clinton/Rubin-created megabanks mega-richer, while destabilizing the whole world banking system—-all the work of the Left.
Australia dodged that bullet, not because of the wonders of the incompetent Swan and Labor, but because the Howard government had left them a legacy of unprecedented prosperity and a superstar economy with low unemployment—- unprecedented rises in individual wealth—a narrowing gap between rich and poor—an aspirational population—low inflation and interest rates—wage rises over the term of >22% compared to the falls in wages during the Hawke/Keating governments—and most importantly just the right amount of regulation that prevented the madness that infected the rest of the world.
Labor treasurers get the European accolades and trophies no matter how incompetent they are, because they’re handed out by fellow Left wing parasites infesting the world bodies and playing their nefarious roles in the ‘long march of the Left through the institutions’.
Unemployment isn’t falling, and interest rates are lower, because the RBA is trying to kick start the non-mining economy that’s crippled by Labor’s carbon tax and sovereign risk.
Debt and tax to GDP ratios are only smaller because we’re in a commodities boom the fruits of which Labor is squandering—and of course GDP is very high, making the ratio lower.
A higher denominator produces a lower ratio.
The off-mine economy is struggling, with businesses just hanging on by their toenails, and job losses in the pipeline.
The ASX is full of happy-talk, because they take all their leads from the US, and they just lo-o-ove Obama’s quantitative easing[ aka printing money], and they adore hand-outs by Labor governments to buy votes—the supposed free marketeers and entrepreneurs drooling for OPM redistribution—not giving a damn about the economy in the long term.
By then, they and GreenLabor will have ‘moved on’ —–as is the nefarious , treasonous way of the Left.
4th strongest economy in the world financially crippling is it? Adrian, do you listen to 2GB?
Show your bigotry Adrian! If Australia is recognised worldwide as a financial success story why can’t you accept it?
Sooo agree Adrian….
Better the devil you know then the Devil you don’t know Donnie. She;s also not as bad as she’s made out to be. This is from someone who follows politics all day, everyday.
Whereas I see the choice as being between faint hope and proven failure.
Have you noticed that older Australians strongly favour a return to the Coalition?
Why do you think that might be?
He you noticed older Australians also refuse to learn new things, adopt new technologies or generally aren’t accepting of change? Why do you think that might be?
I accept we have many things to learn from our seniors, but they are not an infallible pool of right choices. Maybe we should accept gender inequality because hey, ‘it was acceptable in the 50′s’.
I t amazes me the utter ignorance of some of our Australian compatriots from the Left. The general lack of reasoning is always obvious. Their collectivist hatred for anything or anyone who would dare challenge their infallible ideology and their refusal to seek balance in reporting or in the search for truthful information sets them apart. I notice all but a couple of links are to Left wing media. No surprise there. Most of the remainder is either cherry picked, taken out of context, not relevant or simply the view of the vast majority of thinking Australian people. Nothing you have introduced here has shown Tony Abbott in a bad light but instead exemplifies your sad belief system and a questionable set of values. Others here , by their crass, abusive statements full of inaccuracies and vitriol, out themselves simply as dills. I see I am not alone in castigating the publisher of this blog. Oh, by the way, this most certainly isn’t journalism. Just cowardly rhetoric.
‘Nothing you have introduced here has shown Tony Abbott in a bad light…’ Except what he is quoted as saying above. Some of these quotes are well documented – his hypocritical stance on the carbon tax is especially well known.
The ‘bad husband or bad father’ quote presents him in an awful light, especially for the many who have been victims of said husbands and fathers.
So what you’re saying is that you’re as big a jerk as Tony and despise lefties who have a ‘sad belief system’ and ‘questionable values’ outside those held by your shared ideal nirvana of 13th century Europe? Gotcha.
Also, although this is a blog, you are quite right in the fact that the majority of links are to Left Wing media.
That’s the price you pay if you want to post facts as opposed to dog whistle nonsense.
Is this one of those situations where, when everyone moves to the right, people previously standing in the middle appear to be on the left?
Nice trying to flame a “lefty” for being generalist and unsubstantiated, when all you did was use generalist and unsubstantiated arguments yourself.
This is a fully qualified statement: You are a complete goose.
I take it the ABC is the ‘left wing media’.
Yes they are.
The conservative media is expective to lie in order to glorify the conservative parties, because the ABC is unbiased and can’t be bought, it is branded by conservatives as ‘left-wing’. this has been going on for a while.
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Vitriol is what you’ve just written. I still fail to see a point. Take a look in the mirror.
Um, nothing in these statements shows Abbott in a bad light? If you can’t see it, there’s no point in explaining it to you. Even leaving all that out, I suppose you think it’s acceptable to swear and insult someone in Parliament now, is it?
And I’d dispute that what Abbott says is the view of “thinking” Australian people. If Abbott does “think” about what he says, it’s about how best to make himself look powerful and to scare the actual non-thinking Australians.
I had to laugh. You consider The Age, The SMH, tonyabbott.com.au, and The Australian left wing media? Mate, you must be right of Ghengis Khan if that’s true. Let me guess, you’re a big Andrew Bolt fan, right? And you don’t think the racism and sexism and sheer stupidity in these comments by Tony Abbott show him in a bad light? Really?
And even if all these quotes were from left wing sources, why would that show any kind of bias at all? For one thing, if he said them, he said them. There’s no getting away from it, whoever cites him. For another, do you think his mates in the right wing media (and they own nearly all Australia’s media, remember) would be quoting things that made him look bad? Of course they wouldn’t.
Nothing? Seriously? That whole “men have the right to DEMAND sex” bit doesn’t leave a slightly foul taste? Pretty sure that says something about you, Sinoman. And it’s not a nice statement.
lol…
read the whole sentence before posting next time.
he was saying we need to get away from the idea that men OR women have complete power when it comes to sex. in no way was he suggesting men have the right to demand sex
“just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated”
Needs to be moderated… meaning that as it currently stands there is a predominant “idea that sex is a man’s right to demand”.
A: i would really hope that this is not a predominant idea… i don’t know the of people everyone else here associates with… but in my experience, very few people see sex as a man’s right to demand. This in turn shows just how out of touch he is with the way real people construct societal values.
B: If i am completely wrong and this is an idea that is promulgated by mainstream society and I’ve just missed it, it’s not something that needs to be moderated… it’s something that needs to be destroyed. A woman does not owe a man sex, even if they are married.
If a man feels so strongly about his apparent need for sex that he see’s it as a requirement for a relationship and his partner does not want to participate, then maybe they should re-evaluate whether they are compatible personalities and should be in a relationship at all.
You’re right, it’s not journalism, is a blog! The article expresses absolutely no opinion apart from the title. All of the links are verbatim and are facts. The only outlet that could be remotely considered left wing is The Age. All of the articles either directly quote Abbott or feature video of him making the statement himself. This is not a matter of contention and is simply irrefutable. Maybe you would like to explain to us the examples of cherry picking or which comments are ‘the view of the vast majority of thinking Australian people’.
It’s funny Sinoman, that if you change 2 words in your comment from Left to right, you encapsulate everything I despise about Liberal leaning types (they lean, I suppose, as they are too stupid to stand upright)
What’s cowardly about quoting words spoken? Sinoman you are outing yourself as an unthinking compatriot of the conservative Right with an obvious hatred of things Left. Your values, doubtless are unquestionable. How about you post your own set of Abbottisms for everyone to ponder and abuse, if you’re game!
oh aren’t we a smart one, the drivel you just posted is absolute garbage and you my friend have your head in the sand. You will always find the left orientated will give credit where it is due, unlike conservatives. Gillard is doing a reasonable job due to the circumstances. Liberals would be much better off having Turnbull as the leader, at least there would be credibility.
Oh dear Sinoman, do you even know who Tony Abbott is? Have you ever even seen one of his interviews and listened to his well thought out and obviously unbiased and honestly researched comments about woman, abortion, refugees, hard workers (the ones who keep this country running) and their rights, carbon tax, Indigenous folk and their culture (they must be pissed we “boat people” wouldn’t assimilate)? Hey are you Tony’s mum? I know, I know sarcasm is the lowest form of wit (and a sneaky way to point out the truth). Oh and I think politics and economics are intrinsically linked. The only idiots on this thread are the ones who can’t find a more appropriate word to use than idiot. Whoever is in power needs to educate our future generations on how to put forward a succinct argument without reducing the debate to name calling and non- evidenced, unproductive accusing. Facts are facts! Tony said what he did, no one else said them so how about his speech writer and other minions accept some responsibility for allowing him to speak for the whole party? Dear God pleeeease bring on the Greens so we can get some different aspects into this game we call “life in Australia”. Peace all x
Pam….
Have you never known a family where the same parent is perceived differently by different siblings, according to what their individual expectations of the parent are—and it’s the same with employers.
‘Bad’ is an extraordinarily subjective description.
In every human character, there are ‘bad’ and ‘good’ characteristics, and we all weigh them up and decide whether the ‘good’ outweighs the ‘bad’.
Tony Abbott is merely expressing that everyday human exercise.
I’m pretty sure every sibling would be in agreement about a parent that was drunk more often than not, was physically, verbally, emotionally and sexually abusive, even if s/he did have some ‘good’ qualities.
Yes, ‘bad’ is a subjective description, but there is a point at which all subjects come into agreement.
What about a boss who is verbally abusive, who cares nothing about the safety and welfare of his/her employees, who encourages and even participates in bullying and ‘hazing’ of junior employees, who ignores obviously dangerous situations, who abuses and even sacks (without pay) anyone who points out the danger, who consistently short-pays staff, who changes rosters from day to day without notice and who fails even the basic legal requirements of all employees – deducting and remitting PAYG tax, paying superannuation and maintaining worker’s compensation insurance? Please don’t tell me this employer is a good boss.
On the question of ‘lazy journalism’ I should let it be known that your fellow ‘castigator’ is a friend who was in good humour referring to a previous comment made on this blog [see: http://whatistherundude.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/10-tweets-from-an-organisation-that-julia-gillard-has-agreed-to-be-a-keynote-speaker-for/ ].
To your comment, ‘I notice all but a couple of links are to Left wing media.’ I assume by Left wing media you are referring to the independent national broadcaster. Now I might accept the premise of your argument if I was reproducing quotes from ABC journalists or even opinion writers. But here’s the problem, they’re not. The sites linked here are transcripts of what Tony Abbott has said. Now I don’t know about you, but it’s more than a bit of a stretch to say that transcripts of interviews can have some kind of bias.
As for whether this shows Tony Abbott in a bad light is irrelevant, to borrow your phrase, I have simply set out to aid people in their ‘search for truthful information’. The quotes are presented here with sources [or biased transcripts as you would have it] and I’m happy to accept them some people might believe that these kind of comments are becoming of a Prime Minister. Of course I’d disagree. I’m not sure it would be well advised for our head of state to be saying at the CSIRO that the work of their scientists was ‘complete crap’. But hey, that’s up to you.
On the question of cherry picking I’m happy to accept the criticism, but you might like to look at your ‘compatriots’ on the Right before you begin criticising selective quoting. It would appear to a casual observer of Australian politics that one cherry picked quote has become the basis of their entire philosophy and policy structure (‘There will be no carbon tax under the government that I lead’).
And as for whether this is the thinking of the majority of Australians, I can only hope that when Tony Abbott is defeated at the next federal election it will become clear that the Australian people don’t share his offensive, sexist, and at times homophobic beliefs. I, for one, am happy to make it easier for those people.
Liam
Shaaaaaazam!
Well argued Liam,
If this blog had a like button, I would have pressed it about halfway through the 2nd paragraph, then nearly broken my mouse button clicking it repeatedly for the rest of this post. Well said sir
Well put Liam!
Liam why don’t you give us a list of Julia’s past quotes. You can start with the one relating housewives to prostitutes. If you want to run a serious blog stop moderating away any viewpoint that doesn’t suit your leftest cause.
Ray please reproduce that comment Julia made. Was it along the lines of “housewives are treated as prostitutes?” I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking. If that was the comment I can’t help but agree. Sorry x
Liam…
The national broadcaster , Labor’s ABC, is populated completely by the Left—as are most of Australia’s institutions—-no conservatives at all !
Many of them —past and present—have been people who worked for Labor as advisers, press secretaries and campaign managers etc, and then shifted over to continue their campaign work for the Left on a permanent basis , and with a far greater reach, in their cosy retirement home for Labor luvvies—where we’re all forced to pay up not only for their salaries, but for their campaign to get Labor into power—even those of us who believe Labor is toxic to Australia.
As in Labor’s Union movement, via Labor’s ABC, Coalition voters are forced to fund Labor campaigns and propaganda.
The transcripts you provide just serve to reveal the seething hatred of the ABC ‘journalists’ and most of the rest of the MSM for Tony Abbott, and the entrapment methods and corruption of democracy they’re willing to employ in order to attempt to turn the Australian people against him.
We shouldn’t be surprised though, because they’re the same mob that flogs the fiction that Labor and Gillard have the credibility on education, when even a modicum of research would reveal to them that all of the failed schemes that were introduced after failing overseas —the schemes that have crippled the education of Australian children since the early 70s—crippled them for life—-are Leftist schemes introduced by Left wing academics—deployed by Left wing bureaucrats—put into practice by Left wing education unions and their [ many of them] Left wing teachers—-no matter which side was in power.
Now Labor’s MSM groupies are fraudulently—corruptly—preparing to give the Labor arsonists credit for attempts to put out that Labor fire.
They’re also the same mob that flogs the fiction of CAGW, and manages the news to try to suppress any information that might puncture the brainwashing bubble they have many Australians trapped in.
TA said nothing about CSIRO scientists’ work —he just told the truth about the climate change propaganda at the time—and do we presume [ I guess we do] that you think this is more of a disqualifier for office than a person in Gillard, who gets law-abiding journalists sacked, simply because they want Australians to know the truth about her connection to the fraud and money-laundering operation run by her former lover—while she wants that former married lover of hers to be above the law —to get away scot free with his loot, because to bring him to book might demonstrate her own contempt for the laws of Australia.
Australia is one of the most law-abiding populations on earth.
Why should we have running our precious country, a person who is less than us—a person who is dodging scrutiny of her work as a lawyer , and in order to dodge it, demands that her former lover’s law-breaking go unpunished??
And there’s nothing ‘cherry-picked’ about the carbon tax quote.
She said it to gain power—and she very deliberately reneged on it when she found she had to buy her way into power via the Greens.
She had a choice—keep faith with the Australian people—-or betray them for her own personal power .
She chose to betray the Australian people—but even as she did it she knew the betrayal wasn’t necessary, because she knew the Greens were never going to side with the Coalition—almost certainly indicating that right back in the election 2010 campaign, independently of the Greens— while she was giving the bogus assurances —-she secretly intended to betray the Australian people on a carbon tax.
John Howard also said ‘never ever’ to a GST. All politicians lie in the sense that they will chase the wind of public opinion and reverse positions if it suits them politically. Johnny also created the ‘core or non core’ promise. They are all opportunists
I like pix with words, so I took all your quotes and made this: http://tonyabbottsays.tumblr.com/ Thanks for the inspiration!
some of these quotes are up to 30 years old…
despite disliking the guy and his politics, i can’t hold him accountable now at 50-something for things he said as a 21 year old. oh the things i said as a 21 year old leftie revoluntary lol.
For transparency, the quote in question is number five and I’m not hiding the fact that it was over 30 years old. However, I’d argue that it is worth including because it helps to inform and give background to the other 15 quotes included in this article which he has made in the past ten years. During this time he has been a Minister in the Howard Government and the leader of the Opposition and I definitely believe that these comments remain relevant to whether he should be PM.
Liam
Yes his comments are absolutely are relevant Liam. This is a man who wants to make decisions on my career, my values, my rights, my family, my clients (the most marginalised in our society) AND my sex life. Really? I have a right to know who this guy is. This man who wants me to vote for him. If you don’t post these comments it takes away my right as an Australian to educate myself. Keep posting guys cause I need to know and rarely catch all his statements. Cheers x
Aren’t we holding Gillard responsible for things she said and did 20 years ago?
Nah! Julia was just “young and naive.”
Gillard is constantly having muck raked up from her past! Don’t you watch the news?
But if you want to try to dig up some quotes that show her in a bad light, go right ahead, it’s a free country. For now.
There’s a massive difference, CJ, between opinions expressed by one person 20 or 10 years ago in a supposedly free speech society—opinions that have nothing to do with law-breaking by anyone—and on the other hand, the actions 20 years ago by another person—a lawyer now running this country—in connection to a fraud and money-laundering operation run by her lover at the time—especially as she is demanding by her actions right now, that her former lover’s alleged law-breaking go uninvestigated and unpunished.
Her attitude is an effective demand that her former lover [ and possibly herself] be placed above the law—one law for them and a different one for all the rest of us—and that he should keep the stolen money.
The people she demands punishment for , are the law-abiding journalists who sought to bring the truth to the Australian people.
They had to lose their jobs, and their families had to suffer damage in order that her connection to that law-breaking be covered up, and the Australian people be kept in the dark.
The offences in question are not subject to Statute of Limitations.
he however is quite happy to crucify gillard with 20 year old issues that have already been flogged to death
Should be shared, shared and double shared. As well as the reality ignored by the right wing media – which is anything owned by them really rich duudes, that we are actually doing amazingly well economically given the current global climate. Labor at the moment is probably the furthest (?) farthest (?) (need coffee) RIGHT of centre they’ve ever been!
Maybe some of the posters here should move to the US and see how its going for them, but since they now have a health system that will help poor people its probably a bit too Bolshy for some and they might consider Taliban occupied areas of Afghanistan where Tony’s policies would fit in perfect. You can rape your wife much as you like there!!!! Yeeehhhhaaaaa!
Well said, Murasaki.
This is disgusting drivel and if this is the mentality of those who would vote for labour then I hope they are not re-elected. If you think raping a woman is something to go yeeehhhaaaa about then maybe you should move to Afghanistan.
Ummmm….. I think that was a sarcastic yeeaaaa about wife raping. As in tony’s policies would do well in a country where that kind of stuff happens, not here. Well that’s how I interpreted it, could be wrong though.
Maree, I think you missed the point here. Murasaki was being sarcastic (something I understand) and was simply exaggerating a statement Tony Abbott made. You know Tony? The guy running for PM? The Tony who said woman should moderate their behaviour around withholding sex? Yep that Tony. Peace Maree x
Fiona…
Are really completely unable to comprehend that TA is saying in that comment, that both the withholding and the demanding are wrong——or is it that you’re just pretending , in order to be able to defame Abbott??
I think we can see your disreputable agenda , when we see you justify Murasaki ‘s disgusting and deliberate misrepresentation of TA’s comment, as a policy for wife-raping—as ‘being sarcastic [something I understand’.
You do reveal yourself—as do the rest of the Left—-and what we see is a moral vacuum that’s toxic to this country.
What’s wrong with number 2?
The idea that a refugee’s claim for asylum could be determined by whether they wanted permanent residency or a temporary protection visa is pretty disgusting.
Liam
Number 3 is scary. I suggest he spend some time with child services and domestic violence agencies to see just what bad husbands and bad fathers can be like.
And before anyone points out mothers and wives can be awful too, of course they can. But Abbott’s quote only references men.
Pam I work with many DV clients and have been in a DV relationship myself (if you can call it that, a relationship I mean) and you are so right. From the point of view of the abused (I refuse to be a victim) there is way more HARM than good done by these men. To me Tony is just sprouting the same statements as the abusers do. I hear it everyday x
Anyone still falling for the left-right political divide lacks simple reasoning skills.
They’re both as bad as each other, just in different ways.
PERHAPS THE ONLY SENSIBLE COMMENT ON THIS PAGE. Leaving the greens out of things, I simply refuse to believe that there are only two possible points of view on any given topic. Or that two supposedly intelligent groups of people must disagree on EVERYTHING. Oh, and if Abbot and Gillard are the two best alternatives we can come up with, then god help us.
Quote number 8 made me laugh the loudest. I think Abbott knows that is the only way he is going to win an election against Ms Gillard. He feels threatened by women.
Australia…. be warned… & scared!!
Scared at the prospect of Labor getting back in , I presume, Dawn??
I couldn’t agree more that Australia can’t afford to allow Labor to do any more damage—especially on education and the squandering of the fruits of the once in a lifetime commodities boom.
“There will be no Carbon tax under a government I lead”
Union Lawyer, childless, never run a business, fabian socialist or a father of 3, rhodes scholar. Hmm I wonder
Matt, am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that not having a child has influence on a person’s ability to govern? Please advise what you mean by your comment. Also, the ‘never run a business’ part, what does that refer to?
It’s better to remain silent and appear ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Having raised 3 kids DOES give one a broader perspective, like it or not. Australia is the biggest business in this country. Do you think BHP or RIO TINTO or even MICROSOFT would give the managing director’s job to a totally inexperienced person. Why is that hard to understand.
Hi Rick, having children does not give you a broader perspective. At best one might argue that it gives you a different perspective. As a Catholic, Tony A himself takes moral, ethical and spiritual guidance from a man who is almost definitely childless. A survey of Tony A’s opinions and actions indicate his perspective is not particularly broad or inclusive or ironically (small ‘c’) catholic. Also as far as the business/ experience comments. Can you perhaps enlighten us as to Tony A’s business experience?
@rick
Judging by Abbotts comments he didnt raise his kids, his wife did it while he was out doing what men do his wife was at home ironing and raising the kids as Abbott has told the women of Australia should be doing, demanding his “right” to sex doesnt make him a father, thanks for removing all doubt
I just love that your criteria for what makes a good PM has nothing at all to do with their policy direction. Voting for a party based on the number of children their leader has… why don’t we judge them based on their favourite TV show instead? I’m sure that would be a great foundation for our democracy.
Ditto
I’m sorry, but unless it includes items such as “war criminal”, “baby-eater”, or “psychopath”, a list of attributes is pretty meaningless. The childless jibe is particularly confusing to me as to relevance. Stanley Bruce, the eighth PM, had no children. Chris Watson, the third PM, had no children prior to being in office. James Scullin, the ninth PM, had no children. Ben Chifley, 16th PM, had no children. John McEwen, the 18th PM, no only had no children, he was also unmarried at the time he was sworn into office (he was a widower).
So can we all get over that particular chestnut now? Please? It’s just embarrassing to share the same air with people who perpetuate such bizarrely misogynistic views.
(On a side note, Abbott has never run a business either.)
We shouldn’t forget that Abbott has stated he has no real interest in economics either, I would have thought economics might be of some assistance to him given his aspirations
“Rhodes scholar” – not sure how that qualifies anyone to govern. A person who does well enough at University to get singled out for extra honours just proves he’s good at study. It bears no relationship to any ability on the real world. I’d rather have someone who’s lived in real life than someone who’s only learned about it in a book.
If you check, Ruth, you’ll find that Tony Abbott has infinitely more real life—real world–experience than does Julia Gillard and much of her team.
Matt, after the last election both Abbott and Gillard had extensive negotiations with the greens and Independents. It was only after these discussions that a government could have been formed, due to the hung parliament.
IF Abbott had succeeded in talking the greens and Independents into supporting him, then HE would have had to introduce the carbon tax. There would have been no way around it.
149 0f the 150 members of the house of reps west to the last election promising no carbon tax.Gillard was prepared to sell her soul for power and she eventually did.
I agree with him on number 16! Roxon and her ASIO spy powers agenda is bad news for this country. And now she’s embroiled in the Gillard – Slater and Gordon slush fund scandal.
Alright Pam, we get it! Men are evil.
Pam never said men were evil. Don’t do that. Trying to discredit a woman’s argument by insinuating she is a man-hater is really cheap and old.
Buts its OK to accuse a happily married man with 3 daughters of being a woman hater and your fine with that Netski.
Douglas. What is the difference between misogyny and woman-hating? In any case, at the very least, Abbott considers women to be inferior to men. Do Abbott’s comments not suggest this to you?
Not in any way, Sam—just different.
TA employs more women in powerful jobs in his office than does any other member of parliament—and always has.
The hallmark of the Left wing anti-Abbott campaign is rancid, willful ignorance.
Ignorant and uninformed is how Labor wants you to be—in fact they need Australians to be ignorant and crippled in their thinking processes like they need oxygen to breathe.
Only with a critical mass of uninformed lemmings, impervious to rational thought, but receptive to malevolent suggestion—– can propagandists prevail.
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Well I will vote for him because I dont want to live under a Socialist Government as we are now!
Marty your government will still provide all sorts of social services here, even under (hate to utter the words) an Abbott government. Abbott has committed to even more socialist spending for middle class and rich women who want to stay home and have babies. You might have to move to a right wing regime like Russia or Iran for comfort!
What aspects of our ‘socialist government’ do you have a problem with? Is it subsidised healthcare ? Free Schooling? Centrelink assistance to those in need? Do you honestly think our country would be better off without these things? What do you think our taxes should be spent on?
I don’t subscribe to one side or the other of politics at this point in time. I don’t agree with how much effort and energy goes into the “game” of politics. There is very little unbiased, factual information about any of the parties leading up to any election (promises are stupid and nearly always bullshit). For an Australian voter who’s beliefs and values are challenged by Tony Abbott, these quotes are informative. I’m sure there are equally as many quotes on the other side (not of the same nature, but that oppose someone’s beliefs and values).
Personally as a youth worker who works in the community sector, I do not like Abbott and his views, beliefs and values. He doesn’t value people the way I do and therefore I am opposed to his political stance.
I hope that the people who post from here on can keep from personal attacks (on people posting or Abbott or other politicians). This just shows how your values and belifs for what they are.
Let’s have some constructive conversations happen around politics. More apathetic people might get involved.
Nicely said, from one of those apathetic people. So sick of the he said she said. I f we truly want change, and we desperately need it, in our society then we need involved conversation. Not just petty bickering and abuse. Unfortunately that is what we have, and we get closer to the US election style every day.
And wouldn’t it be nice if both sides of the political spectrum actually worked together for the betterment of our country instead of resorting to snide and crass comments. They waste our time and money behaving badly and blocking decent legislation that might help our country!
Liam… Thankyou
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I’m not a huge fan of Gillard, but this bloke makes her look wonderful. And she’s NOT wonderful. If only there was a third option…
There is a third option! In fact there are over sixty parties that you can vote for. The media and our current leaders/opposition continue to perpetuate the “two-horse-race” view regarding Australian federal (and state) politics, to their extreme benefit. Your vote counts wherever you place it, whether or not it is for either of the two “preferred” parties. Read the policies of the parties who cannot afford or do not feel the need to badger is with their expensive and privately funded media campaigns. It is our responsibility to make an informed choice.
If all our politicians were lying on the ground end to end, the only conclusion(difference) to normal practice would be that they were prone and it would be a little more difficult to fabricate, falsify, make-believe, forge, perjure, mask, cloak, veil,masquerade, deceive and display true dishonesty, mendacity and surreptitiousness…..to name but a few qualities…!
Abbott would still say his standing
This is the only reason Julia won the election- a simple choice of puppet or dumb
I notice how being anti-abortion apparently makes him ‘ignorant’, and saying that men shouldn’t be able to demand sex makes him what? A rape apologist? *sigh*
Oh, yes. And I’m sure my mother agrees with him about ironing costs. After all, in the real world, it is mothers who do ironing whether yuppies like it or not.
Let me guess, she’s doing YOUR ironing isn’t she? By the way, I’m a mother & my child was brought up to shoulder & share responsibilities when it comes to housework. Times have changed in case you hadn’t noticed & if your Mother is working as well as shouldering the vast majority of household chores then shame on you!
Love how you ignored all the other ridiculous, bigoted, hateful things he said. And by the way – implying that absolutely witholding sex is something that ought to be moderated? Yes, that does make him a rape apologist. And a body fascist.
Nixxy ….
Were you completely incapable of getting through the whole sentence—or did it just suit your agenda to truncate it and go with that ?
The point he made was that both the withholding and the demanding of sex were equally unacceptable.
No doubt you were equally selective when drawing your vacuous conclusions on the rest of the comments as well—how convenient for you .
Ambient_Malice – it is not just the mothers who do the ironing in the real world, in my experience anyhow. The world is changing!! To relegate women to ‘in the real world this is how it happens’ further disempowers them and further empowers selfish, misogynistic choices.
Men should NOT be able to demand sex. Simple. If the other party is coerced or forced (physically or emotionally) then IT IS sexual abuse!! Goes the same way for women demanding sex. No one has a right to demand anything of that nature from someone else. Sexual abuse is about an imbalance of power.
I think people are well within their rights to demand whatever they want in a relationship; the other person can always refuse. Sure, if your relationship gets to the point where you need to demand things like sex then it’s probably not a great relationship to begin with. I think what Mr. Abbott was implying is that in any relationship there needs to be give and take and sometimes we need to do things that we are not particularly keen on to keep our partner happy and keep the relationship healthy – cleaning the toilet, driving the kids to school, having sex, etc. A person is well within their rights to refuse to do what their partner asks of them but need to accept that their are consequences, e.g. relationship breakdown.
‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’
Ok, Sounds to me that what he is implying is women shouldn’t have the right to say no to sex. Like, yeah, men shouldn’t be allowed to demand sex, but when they do, women should have to give it to them… !!! The Idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold should be moderated. How can you not have a problem with a potential Prime Minister having a view like that??
Relationships are different for everyone, and sex is different for everyone. If someone is coerced or forced into sex, that’s rape, and the only say any politican should have on the matter is how long we put them in jail for, and if we cut their junk off.
How typical of the conservative mindset that you compare having sex to cleaning a toilet. I’ll point out that everyone engaging in apologetics for Abbott here seems to gloss over the fact that he clearly states there is no right to withhold sex, in addition to stating that there is no right to demand it. You state above that “the other person can always refuse.” No, not according to Abbott’s quoted words.
i don’t force my partner to have sex. if she doesn’t want to it’s actually not sex, it’s rape. no one has the right to “demand” sex, sex isn’t anyone’s “right” at all.. theres two people in the arrangement (because of course no masturbating, tony’s a catholic. *snort) and the sex needs to be agreed on by both people not demanded co-erced or forced. simply as.
Most of the quotes are quite reasonable and I can only see them helping his cause to be prime minister. Anybody who takes of fence at anything in these quotes is just looking to find fault. They display a reasonable well thought out attitude and I for one would be glad to have a prime minister who had such attitudes
I’m hoping that your just trolling… If not, you are everything that is wrong with this planet.
Robin, I think there are quite a lot of people in the world who would think that what Mr. Abbott says and believes is reasonable – myself included. A recent Nielsen poll suggested that 45% of the population preferred Mr. Abbott as prime minister.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. You are kidding aren’t you Jim?
What a load of crap Leigh, every poll shows Gillard ahead of Abbott as preferred PM , and Liberal ahead of Labor. If the Libs had a decent leader, they would romp it home. And Jim, where are you taking your fence to?
Am embarrased by every quote. And this man wants to lead this country, if he does im leaving. Hes an idiot
Andtea, your statement that Mr. Abbott is an idiot would have a lot more weight if you were able to construct a sentence using proper grammar.
Some people may not be as educated as you, and some people have dyslexia. That doesn’t mean their opinions are not valid.
Typical Ad hominem from Leigh. For obvious reasons.
He makes a good case against himself.
As a 3rd generation lib voter i fear that my long term support has all but diminished after this weeks lame display by Abott.. He cant be bothered with facts. The last time i was this ashamed to be a liberal was the children overboard scandle.
Who says that all Australians are dumb drunk and racist? I’ve found the posts above to be frequently well written, cogent and often well argued, one way or another. Well done folks… although we could probably be a little more polite to each other. Personally don’t agree with the guy’s views on anything and am tired of his negative, uncompromising and scare mongering tactics. Howard used fear to win elections too….shamefully successful approach, but neither of them will ever have my vote. Cheers intelligent folks.
I agree with Aunty Quack on the level of thoughtful and polite discourse shown here. So what for a few typos? The key issues are that Abbott has shown himself incapable of anything other than negative carping, misogynistic, out-dated, homophobic, hateful and shallow thinking and is totally interested in power for power’s sake.
Actually Gillard has shown an unforgiving sexism in the shape of a very public “misandry”- (female hating men, hating males in traditional male roles) against Rudd and Assange.
Rudd,her former boss, being very successful,that was obviously enough to inspire envy: because he had everything she wanted, thought she could imitate easily(clearly failed) and she still will never, ever, have- a landslide election win-and she would do anything to get it, play conservative, politically correct, connive a version of – be pro-USA cheerleader just to get her way to the top….
And SHE complains about the “americanisation of politics” HAHAHA!
is she that thick? She’s a big part of THAT.
Gillard couldn’t have been more dismissive of someone who gave her a chance.
PrettyUgly Disgusting Lack of Ethics.
She thinks it’s ok to take at face value that Assange is a r__ist and condemn him- that is blatant public misandry that relies on using not only humiliation,but an abuse of her power to align him as a monster and herself, as part of a sisterhood “we love a sunburnt prime minister” , who she also assumes, agrees with her unbalanced CIA enhanced “all men accussed are r__ists” .
“all accused from my mouth are participating in illegal activity”.
What a unbiased lawyer she must have been.;) !!
Yes,Facts and evidence are short on the ground, we need Facts not opinion, lady.
Gillard wont call out real proven rapists/abusers/murderers in a proper community issue and go about changing laws to protect women and children -OH No.
We all might not be able to say “she has a big arse” because it’s pc-offensive but then it’s not -too offensive-like saying “she is the worst prime minister in australia’s history” may be , but she can do these public judgements against worthy men, arrogantly inflated with her power and think this makes her look ‘normal’- but it’s the old shoulder pads feminism-style and no substance.
What about this:
“The PM had clearly thought the mainstream media would not respond to what she later said was an appalling and sexist campaign being waged on the internet, including by old cartoonist and conspiracy theorist Larry Pickering”
SEXISM WORKS TWO WAYS-Gillard towards RUDD AND ASSANGE- Gillard, your SEXISM YOUR MISANDRY.
So SHE CANNOT TAKE THE HEAT, relies on the “someone is being horrible to me” line.
I mean, Pickering has been doing this for Years. Suck it UP Gillard. You are in Politics, Everyone is entitled to disagree, and agree to disagree. For f**ks sake.
For Demoratic’s sake. This is NOT China.
It really isn’t Feminist to pout and sulk,as a first line of defence! The second mots powerful women in Australia! ( Vagina Rineheart No.1) calling Pickering part of the lunar right and calling the l.r and internet full of nutjobs. Like forcing chaplaincy (next.gen pedos) within all children’s education despite being High Court ruled as ‘Illegal” is a “sane” decision…!
Well Gillard should know about nutjobs.
“if you stand for nothing julia you fall for everything”
We know you fall for everything. F A I L.
Why is it that the craziest comments are always overly long, with frequent use of caps and appalling punctuation.
Well said Gravy. I wish there was a “Like” button on this blog.
..What the hell did I just read?
AT, what you just read was some very confusing, poorly written rambling. I was cringing all the way through that, but couldn’t look away. A true grammatical and punctuation trainwreck mixed with…. Well I’m unsure what it was mixed with, but it was definitely bizarre.
are these quotes from Abbott too …
How are you even real? All I can see is white male tears…
Tony if this is your take on running this Great Country look out fellow Australians we are in for distructions
What gets me is that the general public are so conditioned to the two party system that it seems perfectly normal to passively support a particular party’s candidate simply because they disagree with the alternative….. Now to those who had to think about that statement, sorry, I hope blowing your mind didn’t hurt. “what’s that you self righteous would-be political satirist? You think you blew my mind?”. Well I’m sorry, I just assumed that if you had realised that you actually have a say as to who leads these parties in the first place, you may have DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALREADY. *edit* I just realised that requires a functional democracy. Please make an effort to ignore this (donkey-voting) writer’s input. Thank you
It’s a “Solvent” strategy it’s been used for centuries, commonly called divide and conquer. Basically it’s a strategy used to break up the local cohesive cultural glue of groups into oppositions, so the elite can protect what they have and get more of what they want.
I agree, our current political structure has deviated so far from democracy as to be something entirely different. As to what that is, I don’t know enough about politics to say.
How do we make democracy work again with a largely apathetic public? We have been conditioned to only see the shallow side of politics. I can’t decide if this is by clever and devious design, or if politicians are simply taking advantage of an increasingly disinterested population. Or maybe they are just shallow minded. I don’t like any of those options.
I feel like we need a revolution. Tear the whole system down, government, media, all must go. Then start again, reinstall a fresh copy of democracy. The how is where I’m stuck though. I have little knowledge. I’m just one person. Wether I submit a legitimate vote or not makes no difference, either way feels like beating my fists against a stone tower in the hope that it will fall.
I don’t think my generation will fix this. It will be up to the next generation to clean up the mess.
Can we organise some collective action and start an online petition on change.org or Avaaz.org to get a better representation of all those who do not want Tony Abbott as a politician. We could be very persuasive with our writing and include (1) examples of quotes like this (2) bad decisions made and (3) any other reasons we together can come up with.
We SHOULD do it
Anthony
Vote 1 Leigh Sales
QUOTE MINE ALL THE THINGS!!!!!!!!!
for example, number 6 is about the balance of god and women, it is a paraphrasing from a renowned (and recently deceased) psychologist named Ron Conway.
As somebody stated earlier, when the Right shifts even further to the right, those near the centre suddenly become the ‘left wingers’… as if it’s some kind of insult to have a rounded view on issues rather than praying to the god of Neo-conservatism and
Laissez-faire Capitalism.
This man is a bigoted fool who’s extreme conservatism even Malcolm Fraser has condemned on occasions.
He is an economical idiot, he is a social dinosaur and he is a misogynist pig.
His comments that
“I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak”
sicken me not only as a passionate supporter of women’s rights, but also as a rational Male… the idea that any man would honestly think he is ENTITLED to ANYTHING from someone simply because they are female disgusts me to the point of anger.
And for the record, the Labor party has not “destroyed the nations economy” with it’s spending over the last 5 years, if you take the time to look at every other developed nation in the world… you’ll actually find that Australia owes an incredibly small amount of debt and has an economy that is the envie of many western nation.
And do you know why? The stimulus packages… those economic initiatives that the Liberal party condemn as waste…
The Rudd government (I’m sorry to all the Gillard supporters in here but this was an initiative of the Rudd government) understood Keynesian economics.
In times of prosperity the government should turn a surplus and allow the economy to run freely so that in times of economic slowdown the government has the resources it needs in order to stimulate the economy and avoid the “boom and bust” economic cycle of Laissez-faire Capitalism (before i get flamed, i know this is an exceptionally simplistic explanation of Keynesian economics, but for now it will have to do).
The Labor party is by no means perfect, they have adopted allot of policies, particularly over the last two years that i strongly disagree with; but they’re a whole lot better than the alternative.
Well said, Edmund.
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Just a reply regarding the so called red headed idiot as opposed to what the budgie smuggling idiot! In fact I’ve christened him the roads scholar, he is always waring a high Viz vest and a hard hat, the only thing missing is the stop go sign. Any association he has with the Rhodes Scholarship is purely coincidental
Many thanks for your insightful and constructive contribution.
apologies to the road workers they’re not that stupid
Not much to say except for, the MORON suffers from” LITTLE MAN SYNDROME”. HA HA HA !!!!!
He so needs to keep a VERY STRINGENT LOOK OUT FOR THE ALMIGHTY BOLT OF KARMA THAT’S HEADED HIS WAY !!!
Isabella
Why moderate ?? It’s the truth !!!!
I thought the quotes were funny but the comments that followed are hilarious. To all the Tony Abbott fans who were offended by the quotes or the responses please …. get a life. Please understand that there are a significant number of people in Australia that do not like Tony and think he will be an abject failure as a political leader… I voted Lib last two elections and I won’t be voting for Tony in the next! He will be an international embarrassment – as far as I am concerned.
Bring back Malcolm Turnbull…. now HIM I’d vote for….
As an economist (yes, some of us are still proud enough to admit it) I have thoroughly enjoyed the shallow commentary
Remember… everyone is entitled to their opinion and they don’t have to agree with you…
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The more I read about Tony Abbott the more I like him. It’s inevitable social conservatism is coming back, even Labor and Gillard agree, as they bring in Howard lite policy to try and appease the masses.
Keep up the good fight, anything it takes, and fight as dirty as possible.
Worked wonders in the Queensland election.
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As a recent migrant into Australia 4 years ago, I’m still learning the ropes of Australian politics. For what my 2 cents is worth, my own observations thus far:
1. Tony Abbott seems to spend the majority of time that he allows air to pass his vocal chords, to dish out abuse and rants against opposition party politicians rather than actually explaining any of his policies – yes Gilard said no to carbon pricing, yes she “lied”, but get over it – rather than telling us what he proposes to do to improve the politico-economical and social situations in Australia – all I hear is blah-blah-blah – shut your cake hole Abbott
2. Malcolm Turnbull – I vaguely recall he was in for the running of Liberal leader – what happened there – only because, each time I’ve heard him speak, he at least tries to give reasons and political based reasoning behind his arguments – rather than “I hate Gillard”, “Gillard is a liar” “whine whine whine” – cf Abbott
3. As far as Australia surviving the GFC and unemployment being down – and please correct me if I’m wrong – the main reason Australia survived was because of the minerals – the rest of Australia has worsening economic climates and increasing social injustice – now granted it may not be as bad here as the euro crisis zone, or other nations – but from my understanding, many ordinary Australians don’t believe they’ve “survived” the recession – look at QLD, where so many frontline civil servant jobs have gone, the health system is in crisis (and don’t get me started on ol’ mate who stole a few $billion from the health system and getting away with it for so long!) – the pay debacle for QLD health workers, – in Victoria – the nurses union going on strike – rural Fire-ies getting services cut – so to say that Australia did well during the GFC seems a bit far fetched.
4. I have to say – i don’t like Gillard – I think her PM question time debating skills lack, she’s not shown herself to be a strong leader – and she irritates me! That said – Abbott is a numpty so automatically she looks good – 2 people for labour I would rate though are Tanya Plibersek and Penny Wong
5. Media outlets here seem to be SO overwhelmed by Murdoch-minded sources – its quite difficult to keep abreast of what’s fact and what’s propaganda-driven – as far as I can ascertain, abc provides potentially the closest one can get to decent journalism? Coming from UK where particular now with digital tv so widespread and a huge number of online news journals to access – it seems to be more difficult for the average Australian to not get sucked into the extremes of centre drivel that is shown on mainstream tv and newspapers
Disclaimer – These are my own personal views and observations from a snap shot of Australian politics of the past 4 years or so – now I am settling in Australia – so I don’t hate it here (far from it) – but as a politics enthusiast, I wanted to give my view especially coming from UK (where it isn’t that much different! But u have to know the “characters!”). Also, as a general rule – I dislike Labour-ite policies.
Any comments (or advice for sources of information) would be much welcomed!
Oh and finally, regarding this post – given what little I already know and have heard from Abbott’s mouth – even as a non-labour person -if I could vote, I’d still never vote for that sexist, fascist, racist bigot so long as he’s in charge of the coalition! (well it’s almost not right to end a political comment without any controversial statements!)
you have a better understanding of Australian politics than the vast majority of people born in this country. Well done for educating yourself more than many people who (unfortunately) have a say on polling day. I disagree with some very minor points, but overall, well done.
Tony Abbott- Is the George Bush Jnr of Australia, Do Not Be Fooled, he will have his foot in his mouth every time he represents us overseas, and REALLY do you think this numnut could possibly ever run any country let alone this one. Wake up whats happening in queensland in regard to massive job cuts thanks to our new liberal leader Campbell Newman is only the tip of the iceberg for australians everywhere.
Also any man that stands in front of a sign on national t.v. that say’s ‘Burn the witch” claiming he had nothing to do with it, than trying to tell us he has respect for woman is a Liar and more to the point a fool, if he think’s the australian public- and woman in particular will buy his bullshit, no amount of trotting “Margie” out to do the rounds and show what a great guy he is will ever make me fall for this tripe, I’m fast going off Liberals with the likes of fat captilist pigs like Clive Palmer, Gina Rhinehart and archaic puppets like Tony Abbott.
When righties call Julia a liar they point to the Carbon Price, Really? and what else…
It seems all Tony ever does is lie about the Carbon Price, daily.
These quotes need citations. You know what the Rightwing are like — they’ll accuse you of making them up, asserting that you’re lying, editing or misleading your readers. But by providing the citations, there is undeniable proof that they are true, and that he really did say what he meant and meant what he said.
I didn’t know much about Tony Abbott before reading them, but some seem quite reasonable.
They seem like the type of reasonable quote which is then blown out of context.
That said I’m not a Liberals supporter, I’m also not rabidly trying to tear him down for opening his mouth.
I Think Im in Love with Tony Abbott!!
The first few were reasonable, but the rest is ridiculous. It isn’t fair, I don’t WANT another labor government, they’ve sent most of their time fighting amongst themselves, and LOSING.
Linda, I’m sorry your time machine broke, or you got trapped in the cryogenic freezing tube, but those views are really not appropriate anymore, and they haven’t been for 70 or 80 years
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Thank you I needed to read this to remind me of the real problem of forgetfulness in the Aus, media, A great Blogg more can be added though.
Number 9 is not totally right. Left wing bore in my opinion. Labor got it wrong on asylums. Sexism is smear. He is hardly religious. I could go on …
You are missing basic socio and cultural power dynamics implicit in the issues.
4 for you, Amanda! =D
number 9 is hilarious but its really not that funny, it made me crack up but that day was the only day i didnt laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):):):)
i think this is hilarious but some of them arent right
All I can say to the nitpickers is: Weapons of Mass Destruction and Children Overboard.
I just love biased journalism. What wasted effort this was. Guliar makes me ashamed to be a woman.
to be fair, he’s a complete doucher man….unfortunately, so are most of the people who posted these comments.
the quotes from tony abbott are pretty badly out of context and unfortunately rely on the same tactics as the libs use to slander roxon and gillard themselves………….sigh.
the guy is a complete twat. i wish you pinkoes would attack him in a legitimate way rather than just assume he’s some wifebeating cunt. there’s room for legitimate disses on abbott, you guys just don’t have the sack for it.
sigh.
If anyone has the talent and the ammo to take down the Libs it’s this guy – http://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/australiar-and-the-fcking-idiot-dilemma/
Still one of the best articles I have ever read. Too bad it’s old now.
To be fair, these quotes were probably unscripted.
Yes, I’m being sarcastic – but the man said it of himself.
Nice list. The comments make for some interesting reading also.
Call me naive, but I just can’t quite grasp why anyone would visit this post and then comment in defence of a slightly retarded, emotionally deluded, megalomaniac.
Surely there are conservative-leaning idol-adulation services available elsewhere?
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Well, actually, the big ears are a bit of a problem. He got them from doing too much boxing Which might mean his brain is damaged physically – which might account for his lack of emotional control. Just sayin;.
I really like what you guys are usually up too. This sort of clever
work and reporting! Keep up the excellent works guys I’ve included you guys to my own blogroll.
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tony abbott, the Liberals and the Media are all a bunch of c*nts
I feel that we should be voting for the Party policies not the figure head – although it is difficult sometimes to look past them and their sometimes inappropriate comments – and I don’t think any unconstructive negativity is helping anyone – let’s work together for a better Australia – I still call Australia home – and please don’t swear – ta.
This is the internet. You will see swears.
Should put a Gundam in charge.
just to correct one point above, the Prime Minister is not our Head of State. That would be the Governor-General
Considering number 14 as a negative quote shows the perverted guilt ridden pathology of leftists.
How can someone be proud of something they had no part in (being not alive) and no control over?
The comments make me slightly sadder than the quotes.
Not sure if someone else has said it because of all the comments but I love that he says that a bad boss is like a good husband….
Because at least that bad husband has married someone, right Tony?
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Oh Tony, make it more obvious that you hate women, gay people, indigenous Australians and people from other countries because you’re being a bit too subtle.
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I have voted Labor at every election since I helped elect Gough in 1972, convince me with policies not abuse, to change now! Bet you can’t.
So your the one who voted for Whitlam in 1975 Eddie.
And me, and in doing so, didn’t go to the Vietnam war to lose my life, was able to attend university and become a teacher instead of a Real Estate agent (O.K. so I didn’t make the money I otherwise would have) but I have trained doctors, nurses, dentists, chiropractors and electricians and most students achieve outstanding (well above average results, without Gough, I could sell you a house Ray). He bought Blue Poles – remember how you ridiculed him for that. The greatest investment ever made in art (value wise). Now it costs you nearly a years wage to become a teacher (after training for no pay for 4 years).
Please list your sources witht the quotes, so that they can be taken seriously. They are so easily taken to be made up without sources, as they are so extremely bad.
He’s not my preferred choice of prime minister but he has to be better than what we currently have
*Who. You’ve made the mistake of refering to Abbott as “he” and Gillard as “what.” Interesting slip.
This list might read to some as an indictment of a hideous man. To others it might serve as a righteous call-to-arms.
Each mob wants to better create the perception that their party, better than the other, aligns with whatever the majority appears to want. If they nail it, they win power. Same-old, same-old.
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Abbott just won’t lie down and die “
And this is why we have a Labor Party, so that people who fall for crap have someone to vote for.. In context (which these snippets are not) more than half of these are perfectly reasonable. Others, I’ll agree, are stupid, but of those half again (that’s a quarter, folks) he has said they are his personal opinion but he knows that his party and/or the public feel differently and he is happy to put his own feelings aside. That’s honesty and he gets caned for it. One day you’ll be old enough and smart enough to be embarrassed that you voted for the ALP.. Spare a thought for Tony then.. When you have perspective instead of prejudice and thoughts of your own in your head.
We don’t want to be old and conservative or reach that point one day. We want a humane innovative nation that is revered on a global scale. Whether you agree or not, Australia is admired deeply for the handling of the GFC (admittedly thanks to the resources industry) and we are in a great position right now. Let’s get a better border security plan, let’s educate the public more of the benefits of the carbon tax and let’s talk about the right of equality amongst ALL Australians. This is simple people. Do not vote Liberal.
Redneckism is not a political party.tony
There will not be a carbon tax – Julia Gillard
At least Abbot is honest about his opinions
Hey Steve, welcome to politics, gee you are new here aren’t you?
Don’t u mean late lol
Only if you have his opinions in writing.
I will be looking forward to more of these posts coming up to these elections revealing the dark backward notions of the Coalition. Any party OTHER than the Liberals is good for me. Nothing scares the Australian public more than the idea of Tony Abbott becoming a prime minister.
Wow. That the old bad boss/good husband can still be credible. These bits are about the old assumption that those who conceive and bear chlldren will be protected and supported by those who can choose to stay or run away. Hardly an equitable solution and one which has not worked for many women and children in history. Likewise the assumption that bosses know what’s good for workers and pay them according to their value…errr..
Mr Abbott’s party will complain about welfare budgets in the upcoming elections. There is a sense of ownership and paternalism vs more inclusive ideas which has always been part of the Liberal agenda.
Perhaps we need to look at the statistics. Trouble is most statistics did not reflect teenage pregnancies until the late 60s, and do not include those who were discreetly adopted by their grandmother, aunt or cousin. Who knows how many foeteses were aborted? I suspect Tony Abbott is a very old fashioned sexist (I was at uni at the same time as Mr Abbott, and a Catholic, and attending mass at John’s), and I imagine his daughters mainly ignore his more outrageous statements, but I feel their pain.
I’ve just read one article of your reference material and the last quote is an amalgamation of three separate responses to three separate jibes in his direction…..the way you have picked the eyes out it seems extremely worrisome. How many more of these quotes have been similarly doctored…???
I’m not Australian and none of this guy’s ideologies may affect me, but shiiit…I need to lie down…
You could also include this quote, which mainstream media has chosen to ignore:-
“The first lot of Australians were chosen by the finest judges in England, not always for good reasons, and from that rather inauspicious beginning we have become a rich, a free and a fair society”
http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/9041/Remarks-at-City-of-Holdfast-Bay-Australia-Day-Awards-and-Citizenship-Ceremony-Adelaide.aspx
Has this nasty, stupid, vile man, apparently devoid of brain and basic human emotions, you know, like empathy, really got any hope of becoming Australia’s next PM? I’m no fan of Gillard, but seriously…And here I am thinking David Cameron is an embarrassment to the British people. The guy has got nothing on Abbott, and that’s saying something. The people focussing on how some of these quotes have been put together need their heads checking. The meaning of what Abbott is saying is clear. You’ve got bigger problems to worry about: THIS GUY COULD BE YOUR NEXT PRIME MINISTER PEOPLE !!!!
Bring back Malcolm Turnbull, the man was charismatic, intelligent, and actually took in all views before making decisions about policies. A liberal whom actually wanted a carbon tax, who is not completely homophobic and fiscally was very sharp. The Liberals dumping him for someone so much more of a liberal party extremist, just so they could differentiate themselves from the Labour party is truly sad.
Abbott is fully entitled to his own opinions and actually, I agree with quite a few of them. Obviously this is a Leftist website and you guys won’t agree, but it takes all opinions to make the world go round. Just learn to wear. When you think carefully about just about anyone is going to be better than the sleazy, corrupt mob in charge in Canberra now. I can’t wait to see Gillard and her scumbags blown into oblivion.
I have to agree on Abbot on the Asylum Seekers. They are just taking advantage of the flawed system.
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I cringe.
The biggest problem is staring us right in the face: Tony Abbott is a terrible leader, says stupid things and is embarrassing to say the least! If Gillard had the trust of the public (which is long gone) she would win the election in a landslide. Unfortunately, not only has she has made one too many howlers, but she can’t relate to the average Australian in any way shape or form. Therefore (I hate to say it), Abbott WILL be the next prime minister. Oh Dear!
How can you edit a quote. When someone quotes something it should be written as as said, verbatim, not in an edited way.
Yet to see an intelligently formed defence of Tony Abbott in these comments. Where there is a defence it has an air of boganism and/or misogyny about it.
He has said worse than this, particularly on climate change:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott
Wow, 19 years in parliament and you only came up with 16 quotes, I wonder how many hundreds more you would have if you did this for Julia..?
Besides, he was spot on for the abortion quote, can’t work out why that made the list!
Tony tony tony u don’t need faceless men to get rid of you ?.your mouth is just fine
You missed the quote where he said a woman’s virginity was her most “precious gift”…. ugh, that makes me want to HULK SMASH!
Ad these to the list:
From Abbotts speech mini campaign launch Sunday Jan 27 2013
“The First Australians were hand picked by highly regarded Judges In England” – referring to convicts as our “First Australians” – an insult to our true First Australians the indigenous people.
“I know what its like to be on struggle street, struggle to pay school fees and health care costs” –
Abbott has been in Parliament for 19 years, 7 of those as a Minister, 3-4 years as LOTO. Not small wages – an insult to every low income earner in the country.
it doesn’t matter who goes against gillard, she will be defeated because she is a lying backstabbing (insert offensive name here) who cannot be trusted.
Speaking of lying, before John Howard became PM, he stated that he would not implement a GST.
Also, do you think that promising to scrap the carbon tax, energy prices will drop? Not if the energy company stakeholders vote Liberal.
Malcolm Turnbull to lead Labor to victory!
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Thank you for the entertaining bed time reading. What a great debate. This blog is just like our parliament; snide remarks and name calling being the major forms of expression. I’m sure we’d be able to find careless quotes from.anyone in the public eye. It seems the Abbot supporters don’t see much wrong with his views…
Our Prime Minister cops a lot of flack from him just for being a woman. Rudd’s policies saved our economy, and Ms Gillard has managed to hold it all together.
There’s still lot wrong with our country, but I wouldn’t want to be anywhere else. Why we went ahead with mandatory digital television, filling landfill sites with more plastic and pollution I don’t know. Stopping the wastefulness in our relatively rich society would be a wonderful thing. Is it time for a greener government with heart and guts?
Interesting times ahead. I do find it hard to believe that we would vote Mr Abbott in.
Well said.
“There seems to be an inordinate amount of time taken up with funerals and ceremonies … If you’re going to develop a work culture, you can’t have a three-month ceremonial season (each year) and you can’t take six weeks off because your cousin has died …Why not get them out shooting the camels. It gives them something they would love to do and it beats petrol sniffing.”
I find myself agreeing with nearly every quote from Abbott. It seems my days of being left are over!
I’m not disagreeing with what Abbott has said here but some of these are taken a little out of account can be twisted to suit a personal agenda.
Take #1 for example; here is the section from the transcript;
TONY JONES: We’ve got a web question that’s come in. It’s from Brenton Anthony in Canberra: “When it comes to asylum seekers, what would Jesus do?”
TONY ABBOTT: Well, Jesus wouldn’t have put his hand up to lead the Liberal Party, I suspect. Or the Labor Party, for that matter.
TONY JONES: Okay. But someone who believes in principles that he espoused did do that, so it’s a legitimate question.
TONY ABBOTT: Yeah. Don’t forget Jesus drove the traders from the temple as well. Now, I mean, you know…
TONY JONES: What’s the point of that?
TONY ABBOTT: The point is…
TONY JONES: What’s the analogy?
TONY ABBOTT: …Jesus didn’t say yes to everyone. I mean Jesus knew that there was a place for everything and it is not necessarily everyone’s place to come to Australia.
TONY JONES: It’s quite an interesting analogy because, as you know, and a whip was used on that occasion to drive people out of the temple. You know, if that’s the analogy you’re choosing, should be take it at face value?
TONY ABBOTT: No. No. I’m just saying that, look, Jesus was the best man who ever lived but that doesn’t mean that he said yes to everyone, that he was permissive to everything, and this idea that Jesus would say to every person who wanted to come to Australia, “Fine”, the door is open, I just don’t think is necessarily right. But let’s not verbal Jesus. I mean, he’s not here to defend himself.
Now, this doesn’t make that comment sound anywhere near as bad in context. Now I still disagree with his policies most of the time but I really hate (and when people do the same to Gillard) taking snippets and poisoning the public against politicians. Let people do their own proper research on fact – not cut up sentences to prove your point.
You must all love being taxed to the shithouse and love the cost of living skyrocketing. Abbott is just a puppet of the party. It’s the policies that matter. Anyone with a IQ above 10 will vote liberal and bring some solid economic leadership back into Australia
Policies? What policies? The only policies I have heard have been about turning back the boats and cutting public service spending. How will they cut public service spending? Sack all the public servants. Who will they use to turn back the boats? Customs officers… oh, wait… they’re public servants, aren’t they…?
Can’t believe there are so many gullible morons in this great country
I watch Tony Abbott squirm when the media ask him any question about policies and as mentioned earlier leaves the room quickly as he passes it off to Joe Hockey etc to speak on his behalf.
Imagine this man representing Australia on the world stage as our country’s leader. Embarrassing!
As for name calling for Julia it never ceases to amaze me how people so quickly forget that there is not a politician alive who has not broken a promise.
How easily we forget the Howard government promised no GST and promptly lumbered us with it. I am reminded of it every time I pay for something and see how much GST I pay over a week. Sit down and work it out after a shopping trip or any service like repairs to your vehicle, plumbing repairs etc etc.
I cannot think of a more useless tax and you all complain about a carbon tax and/or mining that expect those companies to pay for polluting our country and mining our resources and sending the profits overseas. It has already been determined that no added burden has been added to each of us re the carbon tax. The mining companies have not had to pay the huge taxes that the opposition said would drive away investment in our country….never happened. We have the resources and they want them!
Howard’s government promised other taxes would go when the GST was in place…never happened! Like I said sit down and work out what extra you pay for GST on every service you acquire or product you buy! As for a tax that cost us all more and costs businesses $s to administer with the regular BAS to complete quarterly. What a joke! Are you calling the Liberals liars because they broke that promise?
What we each need to do is look at actual policies and determines what we each agree with or not instead of reverting to name calling and clearly forgetting what the previous federal government cut from aged care and education and let’s not forget Work Choices!
They say that absence make the heart grow fonder….perhaps that is what has happened here and you have forgotten what the Howard government cut from the poor and middle class to ensure their wealthy cronies prospered.
All I ask is everyone researches the past and looks to the future instead of listening to media hype …..then make an educated decision.
Thank you! Tony Abbott is not a credible alternative prime minister.
What amazes and amuses me no end is how all of the respondents to this ‘question’ believe you can make a difference….or do you?
Politicians are in the business of self serving interest. They almost to a person lie and deceive on a daily basis. In almost any other ‘profession’ they would not survive, and be subject to prosecution for their actions. We have many alternative choices to the two pathetic excuses offered as the only choice. Democracy is dead in Australia, as it is in most of the Western world. If most of you spent as much time and serious effort in addressing this, then I would have a little more faith in our future.
Today’s politicians are a very weak bunch. There are no leaders, only dictators. There are some who are genuine people, but must compromise their ideals and best beliefs to ‘serve the party’. There is no independent thought offered for discussion, for the message must be the same, and the stupid masses must believe it….I pity you all
It’s a sad day if we ever have him as Australia’s leader.
Hope half you lot don’t have the right to vote. If ABBOTT represents a Rhodes scholar I’m glad I am educated enough to call him a Dick Head.Here we come Spain, Italy et. al. Two generations have passed since the Great depression and don’t know what hard times can be like. Abbot and his crew will give you lot a tast of life you do not yet understand. 1930 here we come?
Regarding the distortion of the Prime Minister’s name from Julia to Juliar, I believe that was first coined by that intellectual pygmy Alan Jones not the media
I don’t see the problem as to who would be a better Prime Minister, politics has lost nearly all integrity and meaning. There seems to be no honour left in it. The whole two party major system isn’t working. The introduction of new media has changed the way we perceive and judge everything, giving a voice to not only those who didn’t but to those who speak what is on their mind before thinking and researching what they are talking about.
If you want a good Government, you need an honourable, intelligent leader.
A capable and qualified cabinet and,
an informed and proactive electorate
When you see a leader you don’t like or disagree with remember we are all partly to blame for the allowing them to hold that position.
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I watched Parliament this week and Abbott now does not know what to say. When he does open his mouth he makes a fool of himself. Go Julia keep the test up. The Libs have nothing to offer this country except a big stuff up. Thank God they were not there when the GFC struck, who knows where we would be now. The miners need to be well taxed. Go see what they have done to South Africa. Lets hope they are not allowed to do that here. Abbott has just stuck his nose into this area by encouraging the Liberal States to put up their royalities. Mr negativity I hope people realise what he is really up too.
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Nothing he said in those quotes can I disagree with or find offensive. And that is the view of about 54% of the population. Of course lazy minority groups would find it offensive though.
You know, I’d prefer to think that 54% of Australia isn’t racist, homophobic, misogynist and incredibly condescending to poor people and immigrants. But it wouldn’t surprise me.
For the record, ‘lazy minority groups’ is an incredibly nasty way of describing an extremely diverse section of the Australian population, and anybody with an inkling of critical thinking would also be offended by at least some of these statements.
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Sources for the quotes?
See one of the earliest comments, in reply to James on August 23, 2012 at 4:26 am.
Come on Australia you can’t seriously want Tony Abbott as our Prime Minister he is an embarrassment and the thought makes me feel ill!
Let’s not forget this gem:
-”if you’re going to develop a working culture, you can’t have a three month ceremony season and you can’t take six weeks off because your cousin has died. I wouldn’t imagine that long before white man came a death would have stopped hunting.”
(Tony Abbott addressing central Australian Aborigines in Pitjantjatjara land, to which Gumurdul, Mikginmikginj and Nayinggul [2006] responded: “He is wrong… In our country, in Arnhem Land, ceremony has continued uninterrupted for a very long time).
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Can this country really have enough dumb people to vote this tosser and his party of morons in to ‘run’ the country??
I agree with #8, personally.
God, they’re both such awful options.
Make one of Gillard you prick, but that would be too long because everything she says and does makes her unfit to be the PM
Julia is the lesser of two evils. Tony Abbott is a dead set idiot we all know this. Instead of two parties slandering eachother and the media running wild, wouldn’t it be nice to have one unified government that worked towards bettering what an already amazing country this is. “Why can’t we all just get along”
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And there is so much more including his refusal to answer questions that were not scripted for him. His denial this week of the huge negatives from the war that John Howard and his government (including Abbott) placed Aussies into. His ongoing support for Peter Reith who created the bald faced lie of ‘children over board’. There is his refusal to support gays despite his sister being gay. .. I could write such a list
I agree with you:)